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Tina Lee Forsee's avatar

Great post!

"it turns out that science as a method for predicting future phenomena can operate very well without actually having a correct model of the universe."

Yes! It's amazing to me that so many people who are privy to the history of science still aren't clear on this yet. Science is not metaphysics!

And many very well informed people nevertheless have strong faith in reductive determinism, despite the fact that science has moved on and we no longer have any reason to think there are fundamental building blocks of reality. What in the world is everything supposed to reduce to if these building blocks are gone? What is supposed to "make up" the emerging phenomena? And how can determinism be true if fundamental reality is not deterministic, but probabilistic?

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Nicholas Smith's avatar

Three thoughts here. 1. The most fundamental problem with every attempt at physics is it generally works--at least Einstein did--with a geometric model of reality. Even those posing more than 3 dimensions cannot exactly mathematically account for these dimensions using the same parameters as did Einstein. Thus in a sense each part of science, suffers from the incapacity to develop a language internally consistent and capable of addressing all variety of phenomena. This is represented with the Three Body Problem where three bodies--say planets--who are in each others gravitational fields and thus orbiting one another, are in orbits that cannot be predictable--one cannot say where one planet will be or another or one in reference to another at any given time in the future. The only way passed this is supercomputers and essentially an exponential amount of calculations--but none of which are really producing a law by which we can arrive at certain prediction. 2. Science emerged along with scientific method by tossing aside final and formal causes. Attention realistically was only paid to efficient causes and thus emerges a sort of billiard table ontology where its all a bunch of balls bouncing off of each other then problematized by Einstein's relativity as to not ensure they'd move at same speeds or angles depending upon gravity, etc.... 3. Because of the loss of final and formal causes especially, along with the fact that science is quantitative measurement--it presents its theories with diagrams with qualities or is thought in one's head as having qualities, but it is only pure quantity. When you put these factors together, can we say we have any ontology at all anymore? The subject is bracketed from the equation and though they can only theorize based on evidence collected using scientific method, their theorization automatically requires the scientist to take the quantitative data and develop a qualitative picture which in the end is dismissed as not existent or important to the whole process. Nothin is and nothing is x or has y or aims toward p or becomes z, rather to make sense of anything at all in this picture one has to isolate a constant and certain variables (from countless possible ones) and pretend like this in itself isn't also self-defeating the integrity of science. Sorry for the rant.

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